Scouting for Elk 
 
 
  Much of the elk hunting literature is just too general. It is written to cover the entire United 
  States. However, there are several subspecies  elk which live in different environments and under 
  markedly varying human-changed living conditions. The human influences change seasonally 
  with ranching, recreation, and several hunting  seasons. Consider whether you would hunt white 
  tail deer in Texas scrub land the same as in a Vermont forest. You should not expect to hunt elk in 
  a wilderness where elk rarely see people in the summer the same as on a working Wyoming 
  ranch where elk become accustomed to horse riders and activity? Animal  studies disclose that 
  mechanized hunting affects elk movement far from disturbances. Ignoring the hunting 
  environment in published articles is paramont to setting eager hunters off on a wild goose chase.
  The following discussions supplement the elk scouting section in my book.
  Big Bull Lair Found While Scouting (2014)
  Everybody wants to luck into a big Bull, but few want to do arduous, time-consuming scouting. I 
  green, first growth grass to more dry, fibrous second-growth grass. The branches the bull raked 
  from the scrape tree had hardened, butfound an excellent site this year largely by using my nose. 
  It was not hard to identify where the bull had been, nor why he was there. The location was NEAR 
  the top of a large broad funnel-shaped eastern facing slope void of trees. From there the the bull 
  to see bear and lion predators who may have followed his scent trail up the survival instinct-
  made diagonal elk path up the hill (called a "J” turn maneuver). The branches the bull raked from 
  the scrape tree had hardened,  Any rogue elk bulls trying to cut out cows could be immediately 
  seen by the master bull. The location gave the herd bull the advantage of charging down slope 
  and conserving energy for any fight. The high observation post also permitted the bull to see 
  bear and lion predators who may have followed him up the survival instinct-made diagonal elk 
  path up the hill (called a "J-Path). 
  Big Daddy's Scrape. The location of the scrape tree was ideal. It was located on one side of a 
  bench overlooking not only the down slope, but also along an upper bench grazing and bedding 
  area for the herd cows he wished to monitor. The scrape's five clumped trees gave the bull shade 
  for cool lingering. Shade is critical to a bull. Because bulls have a greater body mass, it is harder 
  for them than cows to keep cool. The trees also gave cover from predators.
  Elk Treats.Have you ever noticed in hospitals the 
  food tends to be salty? Remember the doctors 
  advising you to drink lots of water when sick? A 
  herd bull spends a lot of energy taking care of the 
  cows that choose him, and running off interloper 
  bulls. He sweats much, and this eliminates water 
  and salt from his body. He needs to replenish both. 
  Fifty feet from the scape/stand trees was a recently 
  well used sheep herder salt lick. What a nice place 
  to wait out the day, get a few salt licks now and 
  then, cuddle with a cow in estrus, spar with the 
  boys if necessary, and see his cow bevy also come 
  to his claimed salt lick.  Sort of like an iced beer 
  cooler on a tailgate on a football Sunday!
  Substitutes Urine Wallows. In friable dirt just a 
  few yards from the salt lick was a bull urine pit. 
  Bulls like to "scent mark" themselves so all of 
  creation can identify them, and to mark their 
  territory against intruders. They usually dig new 
  wallows in marshes with their antlers to urinate in 
  and then roll in, or use old wallows left from 
  previous years. However, where there is insufficient 
  water they urinate in the same place. Soon the soil 
  is soft and urine-saturated. The bull then stomps in 
  it and mish-mashes the mud like an ancient brick 
  maker. The first urine pit photo shows the pit at 
  this location with large bull elk hoof prints. The 
  second photo is a urine pit on a Wyoming 
  mountain where the lack of water makes 
  wallowing unfeasible without using the urine pit 
  technique. 
  The urine pit was dead-ugly rank! At least 100 
  times more offensive than a clogged urinal at the 
  worst truck stop. I smelled it perhaps 500-700 
  down-wind yards away and "nosed in" on the site. I 
  have no doubt keen smelling elk could smell it a 
  mile away. I absentmindedly placed my backpack 
  near the pit for photo scale and could smell the 
  odor for several days. Why do I learn so slowly!?
  When Was 
  the Bull at the Scrape? Many well-formed "pit 
  and cone" 
  fecal pellets littered the ground around the 
  scrape tree. 
  (My observation is that elk do not usually 
  defecate 
  immediately  in their beds.) This pellet type 
  forms late in 
  the summer when elk transition from tender, 
  green, first 
  growth grass to more dry, fibrous second-growth 
  grass. The 
  branches the bull raked from the scrape tree 
  had 
  hardened, but still had pliable pitch, and their 
  needles 
  were green but beginning to yellow. The tree 
  scars were still slightly bleeding pitch. All these clues indicated the bull had been here two to 
  three weeks ago, but generally healing pitch indicated recent disuse.
  Was this a Scrape, Urine Wallow,  and Herd Monitoring Station of a Herd Bull? I think so. The 
  bull-raked tree branches were from a good seven feet above the ground. I picked up a handfull of 
  scat. They were hollow and the whole handful did not weigh anything. They were unweathered 
  and like styrofoam balls. Obviously, this bull was in the exhausting part of the rut and in the non-
  eating mode. He was trying to exist on a few morsels of bad grass and water. He was basically 
  excreting gas-filled fecal shells. However, cow pellets from the area were of typical density. I had 
  no doubt this was a large, dominant bull's lair. 
  A Trailside Feces Wonder: The stack of droppings suggests a very constipated bull who was 
  probably exhausted after defending his harem during the rut.  (Why didn’t the stack tip over 
  when it landed? Another wonder of nature, trajectory, and physics.)
  Did I hunt the location? I hunted this immediate area only one morning looking for a straggler 
  cow. One important aspect of game scouting is to monitor the kills made by others. When I 
  arrived for the second season, I heard that an outfitter client had killed a bull in the far side of the 
  topographic funnel during the first season. No mention was made of the elk rack size, a give away 
  that the bull had been somewhat mediocre. It certainly was not the large herd animal I expected 
  from scouting. It must have been a smaller bachelor bull that lingered in the area after the main 
  herd left. I deduced the bachelor bull would not have moved into the harem bull's area if the 
  dominant bull was still there. I figured it was better to hunt elsewhere.
  Conclusion: So what happened this year to the herd bull and almost all of the elk we would 
  normally encounter? his summer was very warm and had frequent rains, especially in the early 
  (high country) fall period of August. Even by the second, late October, hunting season the 
  weather was the warmest I've experienced in 42 years hunting this area. Some nights the ground 
  did not frost, and never before did it actually rain at night. Although there were typical brief day 
  sleet and snow showers, many days were shirt sleeve balmy. There was water everywhere, so elk 
  had no reason to wander in search of it. The rut was probably early in this area. There were signs 
  of a few single and cow-calve paired elk still present, but no signs of recently herded animals. My 
  deduction was that the elk were agitated by the heat to the point that a few archers and muzzle 
  loaders (and a sheep herd) triggered them to move during early seasons. The elk returned back 
  into the back country where deep timber offered cool bedding and protection. The big fellow was 
  smart (and he himself rut and heat beat) enough to take his harem back to elk black timber 
  heaven.
  Lots of Grass, But Why No Elk? Some grassy 
  fields look like prime elk habitat, but are not. 
  Dense waist-high grass like this would seem to be 
  an ideal elk forage location and a great place to 
  hunt, but it is not. Close examination of the grass 
  revealed that it is second growth grass. The grass 
  tussocks were chewed close to the ground in the 
  spring when the elk first migrated to high 
  pastures. This is an eastern-facing steep slope 
  where the sun would have first melted the snow 
  and made new tender grass grow. The elk left this 
  area and headed to the high back country for the 
  summer. The second growth of grass thrived in 
  the late summer rainy period.  While the elk may 
  have returned to the area with fall snows, they 
  are not going to eat this seemingly luxurious 
  fodder. It grew fast, is coarse and is low in 
  nutrients. It is a last resort winter meal.
  Of Salt and an Obviously Hasty Retreat: We 
  were camped south of Wood’s Landing in 
  northern Colorado. Each night a group of cattle 
  would stop at an elk hunter’s old campsite and 
  ravage the fire pit. With a lot of head butting 
  competition they eventually licked the site clean 
  of ashes and charcoal. Then the cattle headed 
  down slope to a spring to satiate their salty 
  mouths. 
  I’ll report anyone who baits game with salt. It is 
  illegal and not “fair chase” ethical. However, I do 
  recommend hunters become aware of all game 
  activities and movement habits by paying attention to natural favored foods and nutrients. I 
  check hunter camps while backpacking in the summer. I pick up any overlooked trash that may 
  have been snow covered when the hunters left. While doing that, I’ve noticed that fire pits often 
  don’t last more than a couple of years before stones are rolled apart and the ashes scattered. You 
  can see an game-eaten hole where the noodle water was dumped. Buried trash is exhumed and 
  scattered (that is why you should always carry out all rubbish). Like the cattle, game seeks 
  mineral nutrients. Food scraps dumped in the fire leaves salts. Check fire pits for game activity 
  when scouting. Try to determine which way the animals travel in the immediate area and make 
  notes for the next hunting season.
  I surmise the elk hunter’s camp described above 
  was sloppy. The hunters must have been fire-
  reckless and inattentive. It appeared that a fairly 
  large forest fire started when the fire escaped the 
  fire ring. The dudes must have made rapid retreat 
  to avoid detection; they left things - including a 
  lovingly made fancy latrine, tow straps and some 
  tools.
  Scout Slowly: Elk can be hard to see if the wind is in your face and the 
  elk are lounging midday. It would be easy to overlook these two fellows 
  with a too quick binocular scan.
  Scout Elk as if You Were Looking for Ghosts
  I call elk the ghosts of the forests. You don't think they are present, then all of a sudden they 
  silently, mystically appear. These photos illustrate how easily two bull elk can hide and then 
  appear. They could be overlooked by a swiftly moving hunter scout as they lay midday in their 
  wallows. 
  Some highlights of my stay made my scouting and high altitude acclimation days happy. Two very 
  discouraged young lads asked me where to hunt. I told them to be down to buck creek at 4 PM 
  where a thicket of alder crosses the stream.  Any remaining bulls would creep out of timber-
  hiding to water early in the hot weather. I was hosting a sheep wagon dinner for two veterans 
  (one hunts on a tracked wheel chair) when there was a rapping on the widow. A very be-
  spattered, grinning lad said “Thank you, thank you! I was there later than you said to be. I saw 
  that a hunter beat me, since there was a horse tied in the willows. Then it moved and some of the 
  branches moved with it head. Thanks for the 5X5 – my first elk!”  It could not get better for me to 
  hear his enthusiastic thanks. [The young fellow will probably grow old there for the next twenty 
  years of 4PMs.]
  Scout for Elk While Hunting Bear "With" Sheep Herders
  Bear and mountain  lions are multiplying in the Flat 
  Tops and other areas around the United States. You 
  may want to consider scout for elk in the early fall 
  with a bear license in hand. Ask locals about 
  predator situations. They are often bothered by bear 
  and are helpful in pointing out rouges. An excellent 
  and commonly overlooked helpful bear information 
  source is the person who makes a living all summer - 
  the sheep herder. All summer he moves sheep 
  through their assigned National Forest Pastures. 
  Every day he intently watches his sheep. He is one of 
  the few people who stand guard at first dawn and late twilight when predators are most active. 
  Herders come to know the animal "pulses" in the wilderness. They witness the game movements 
  over the summer as the rut develops and bears enter their hyper feeding activities. 
  A polite inquiry may result in phenomenal hunting tips. Be patient and reserved in your 
  approach. Keep in mind, herders are by nature quiet and many speak only limited English)  
  September bow hunters should not overlook this combined scouting and hunting opportunity 
  .AND HEY, think ahead about something to offer the herder in exchange for conversation. Beer 
  an booze won't do it, since they do not or are not allowed to drink. Some fresh bread, vegetables 
  or a flat of danish buns are more like it. Don't expect something for nothing. In life, "what goes 
  around, should also come around"!  
  Don't abruptly and directly approach a herder while he is attending his flock. Wave to him to get 
  his attention, and hand signal him that you want to talk. This decorum will allow him to call off his 
  guard dogs, or have him come toward you. The last thing a herder needs or appreciates is a 
  scattered herd. 
  Most herders have large guard dogs to warn of and chase off predators. Never go near a sheep 
  herd when hiking with your dog! Entering a herd area can make you and your dog defense 
  targets. Herders are charged with defending their sheep, and they are authorized to kill perceived 
  threats to the sheep. 
  In September a herder in my hunting area was forced to shoot three bears in just two days. If you 
  know (ask/seek) a sheep rancher, ask him if he has bear problems and whether you could 
  shadow the herd bear hunting the next year. He might appreciate you helping guard his herd a 
  few day and arrange for the herder to work with you by giving up-to-the-minute bear 
  information.
  Enjoy Scouting and Involve The Family in Exploring The Back County: Middle to late summer 
  is a great time to combine backpacking or camping with family scouting. Challenge the children to 
  explore and observe the outdoors. Make the most of the campfire nights with story telling, 
  singing, and remembering other outings. Increase the curiosity by bringing some trail-sized  
  illustrated pocket references for animals, birds, astronomy and plants.
 
  
 
  
 
  
 
  
 
  
 
  
 
  
 
  
 
  
 
  
 
  
 
  
 
  
 
  
 
  ©  2014-2021 Copyright by P. K. H. Groth, Denver, Colorado, USA  All rights reserved -  See contact page for for permission to republish article 
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  Early fall is the ideal 
  time to do final 
  scouting. The 
  Colorado high 
  country is ablaze in 
  nature’s glory.
  Get out and enjoy 
  the crisp but still 
  warm days!
  Live the wild!
 
  
 
  ©  2014-2021 Copyright by P. K. H. Groth, Denver, Colorado, USA  All rights reserved -  See contact page for for permission to republish article 
  excerpts.